Got a bad batch of WW ammo or But I can't count the number of guys using n320 and 147s for minimal pf loads. I have several thousand of this ammo on hand, and if I were to need to use to defend myself or my family, the gun should handle it. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Your previous content has been restored. BAM. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. I'm giving that a try. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Not sure why it wont let me reply to you, but Ill reply to myself in the hope youll get it. This weekend I had a FTE that jammed up my gun pretty good. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? 3. Just recently got a 9mm Full Size kit and it's driving me nuts. I would just order a new extractor and related components and try the gun again. Look at the photos g macposted of the barrel and factory ammo shot in that barrel. Fitting, gauging, and range testing. The tendency is for people to say "I've shot thousands of this load, and nothing has ever happened before." His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. . SIG says ABC had intended to include some of those other claims in their reports, but after SIG informed the network of the additional information that was uncovered, those cases werent included in either of the segments. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. Weird how that might happen. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. Possibly. The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. If you cant get it working , call SIG and send it back. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. I could just purchase another 9F kit and keep the malfunctioning kit for parts or send it in for repair and sell it when it gets back to recoup some of the costs. I was having issues with my P320, failure to extract that started off as a single incident in a month, then increasing in frequency after. Wheee!!. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. The wife sold her 2011 to buy this gun as she is also waiting for aftermarket parts from Grays. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it called a voluntary upgrade of the weapon, which included hardware changes to the trigger and striker. The truth is the absolute WORST semi-autos that Sig, H&K, Walther, Beretta or Glock makes today are more reliable than the best semi-autos made 40 years ago, by far. Both FCUs work with all of the other kits / calibers. That seemed to help for a while. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! Theyve also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. Just wanted to share an experience I had with my new X5 in CO. To share the setup, I had Robert Burke do his competition trigger job which feels great; I also have a tungsten guide rod, other than that, the gun is stock. Same problems. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. The extractor is offered only as part of a comprehensive reliability upgrade service. Jim. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. That focus drifts. If you aggressively load a too-long mag into the pistol that doesn't hard-stop on the grip frame, this WILL happen. Where is this lightning striking twice? There wasn't really a straight problem, with most problems having different circumstances/potentially different causes. Thats fine. ALL OF THEM. If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. Send it back to Sig? Other then that this gun has function without any stoppages. On 6/21/2017 at 8:36 AM, IDescribe said: Sig P320 X5 Case Separation and Extractor Loss. That is totally unacceptable. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. He is also calling on the gunmaker to issue a recall on this product, and pull this product from the market, until they make this gun safe.. It's this doohickey circled in red in the picture. Clear editor. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. Good videos, BTW very thorough; and unlike most youtube videos, it provides sensible, level-headed commentary from someone who actually shoots their pistol instead of trying to use it to prove how mall ninja they can be. For the sake of comparison, the P365 has an overall length of 5.8-inches and height of 4.3inches, and the P365 XL has an overall length of 6.6-inches and a height of 4.8-inches. ( could just be standard answer for the question. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). Quit blaming cops or the military, these guns have a serious problem. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. rpm8300 The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. May 25, 2016 in Sig. All of my kits run fantastic, never a hiccup. Your previous content has been restored. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. False 40. ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. The company has repeatedly denied the P320 is unsafe. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. They function as commanded every time. "how long will it take to get my gun back?". I call Sig hoping to send it in for repairs, they told me to try different ammo. Have you tried a different slide and barrel. Display as a link instead, At least nine drops in, none had discharged. Looking for possible tips before she starts to get frustrated. P365/P365XL Striker Kit. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. In the most recent legal action, Deputy Vadnais is seeking $10 million in damages and to have SIG Sauer recall the pistol. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Add to Cart. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. Will this issue get better or should I be contacting Sig? Is it? I have 2 FCUs and 4 caliber kits. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. 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