with the ball style, you have a valve, after the intergral pressure regulator, that restricts the flow by causing a smaller hole for gas to flow through, and you are stuck with a constant amount of flow(15 cfm, for exc). I recently purchased a used Hobart MIG welder and tank. http://www.harborfreight.com/regulator-gauge-94841.html. Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing. The welds improved, but there is gas leaking constantly from the adjustment knob. Probably there, but I am at a loss. Item received just as described. I would rather just use my mig and tig flow gauges with a T then spend 200 bucks. All times are GMT-6. A replacement flow meter is $90 - $95 which is about 2/3 the cost of the entire unit. I like the readability of the ball. Surely the dial on the regulator is accurate enough? I have both flow gauges and flow meters, but the gauges are in my welding cabinet. You are using an out of date browser. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Thanks. Your welder should not be enough restriction at normal flow rate to cause problem as your only flowing about 30 cubic feet per hour. Someone will have to explain how this peashooter on the torch meadures gas flow more accurately (better?) Different manufactures use different size orifice. Great seller to deal with. The dial gauges if im not mistaken are diaphram style restrictor (acting like a regulater). JavaScript is disabled. Flowgauge reading when the solenoid is open with low restrictions down stream is ok. Stupid question I'm sure but do you really need a flow meter on your regulatlor? Well, I run flow meters on both my Mig and Tig setups. Could it be that "flowgauge" is their name for this device which is a regulator which reads in CFH based on known orifice size? Yes you can have a blockage without a leak, in which case the peashooter will read exactly the same as the bottle flowmeter. I'm assuming that there is something wrong with this flow meter, but I wanted to get an opinion if I was operating it incorrectly, or if I can fix it if it is broken. A peashooter is best, it shows how much gas flow is exiting the shroud/nozzle: keep your shroud clean, spatter build up can disrupt this flow, or cause the gas to swirl and induct non inert gases into the weld pool: Sample of one but my peashooter flow meter and regulator dial match each other perfectly. I set the meter to 20cfm (as recommended). Barry, I'm curious how you have that rigged. I bought a tee-fitting that goes into the tank outlet. I found the adjustment knob at the top of the meter closed. Your LWS sounds like a moron. Go get a $70-$100 victor, harris or smith name brand flowgauge regulator setup either online or at a different weld shop and you will be good to go. i got the bottle filled and held off on the rest of the purchase. And yes you can set up the back purge with a quick brass tee and a small brass valve. If it's leaking around the adjustment knob it is bad either have it rebuilt or buy a new one. JavaScript is disabled. I think flow meters are the way to go, except when faced with the position youre in. It will give a very approximate reading of flow but nothing like as accurate as a proper flow meter. I have both; meter looks better, gauge works fine. The subreddit for welders, machinists and all other enthusiasts of joining two things together. You can't have one without the other surely. to make my cooler tank from stainless and thought it would be a good idea to start learning to backpurge. If you have a flow gauge, don't rush out to get a meter unless you just want one. Only if you're in a light breeze with no shielding would you want to use more gas. Hobart Handler 210 w/DP3035 - Great 240V small Mig, Miller Dynasty 200DX with cooler of my design, works for me, If this is your first visit, be sure to
Regulator dials are not that accurate for flow, I use flowmeters on my welders and they vary quite a bit from the dial, a peashooter is a cheap way of setting flow, to use it with a mig you'll need to temporarily flip the tension roller off to disable the wire feed. I have a few expenses coming up and if a 10-20 dollar fitting will save 165 its worth it. If you'd like to get the additional items you've selected to qualify for this offer. If you have a dial type you can T off that at the output and run one side to the inside of the tank, and the other to your gas solenoid. You are using an out of date browser. This seems to be a simple question but I don't know the answer. The manufacturer set the flow meter/flow gauge for the equipment. About the easiest way to set up a back-purge, using two flowmeters. But you can adjust the flow meter a little more accurate since we run so many welders we use flow meters so we can dial them down as low as possible to save gas. check out the. If I weld at this point, the welder acts like there is no gas present (spitting, stuttering, etc). However i really would love to the dual setup. Changing torch cups on a TIG torch requires tweaking of the gas flow CFH. When you go to weld you will have half of the intened flow neccasary(if equal conditions exist in both exits). Cost is less than half of a flow meter, that's why almost all machines are shipped with a flow gauge. than a conventional rotameter or tapered flow gauge? Add to cart to save with this special offer. Argon CO2 Mig Tig Flow Meter Regulator Welding Gas Welder Gauge with 10'Gas Hose, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab, - for PayPal Credit, opens in a new window or tab, Learn more about earning points with eBay Mastercard, - eBay Return policy - opens in a new tab or window, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new tab or window. All times are GMT-6. only shop in town and my bottle is 75/25 argon co2. That tells me it is really a regulator measuring pressure and converting to flow on the dial. Actually, it is a flow gaugeand not a regulator. The ball in the flowmeter sits at the bottom of the tube . This page was generated at 08:57 PM. I can't help with the back purge question, but if flow meters were bad, the high end machines would not come with them. It will work for most settings on the welder. I know you understand but I should have been clearer in the first post. Argon CO2 Mig Tig Flow Meter Regulator Welding Gas Welder Gauge with 10'Gas Hose, {"modules":["unloadOptimization","bandwidthDetection"],"unloadOptimization":{"browsers":{"Firefox":true,"Chrome":true}},"bandwidthDetection":{"url":"https://ir.ebaystatic.com/cr/v/c1/thirtysevens.jpg","maxViews":4,"imgSize":37,"expiry":300000,"timeout":250}}, Recent sales price provided by the seller. Regulated pressure is adjusted to get desired flow rate. check out the. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The item you've selected was not added to your cart. Sundown. it would make some difference, but I don't believe noticable in a gauge setup for your purpose. https://www.weldequip.com/gas-flow-tester.htm. It's true hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance? the gauges were std hobart for 70 or 80 bucks i believe. What do you make one with? Now I am talking Mig here with an 8m push pull gun. This page was generated at 09:57 PM. My welding suppy uses copper tube. best that you don't try to modify it. welding shop had an off brand for 60 bucks and he said there was no need to spend anymore unless i wanted to jump to the 200+ range. But for the average person there is no diffrence. I'm getting ready (if time will allow!!) Thanks for the confirmation. Some flow gauges are set for a certain delivery and some are adjustable VIA the tee handle. I always thought the dial on the reg outlet is a pressure gauge, not a flow meter? It may not display this or other websites correctly. You must log in or register to reply here. That in itself should make no difference but it seems to, possibly because there is more hose for the gas to have to travel through so possibly more pressure build up which then leads to more leaks along the way. Anyone else with experience with this will most assuradly say otherwise.. does some one make a manifold that will mount 2 regulator/flowmeters ? Splitting hairs, but there are very real differences. You must log in or register to reply here. Warning if you are running straight C02, not all flowgauges are rated for C02. Are you running mixed gas or straight C02? On the MIG you have one size nozzle for your style of torch. Blockages and leaks. It's CGA rated for shielding gas pressures (3000# rating). The tank is equipped with one of these: I have not used one of these before and I'm not sure I'm using it correctly, or if it's malfunctioning (I cannot find a manual for it either). Flow- Gage uses a LP gage calibrated to indicate flow rate through specified sized down stream orifice in regulator outlet fitting. I will try and do some tests today but I have always found that I need more flow on the flow meter to get the desired output from the torch. View cart for details. .. the little ball looks really cool floating in the tube! buy the thing its only 165 and youll probably save that, after driving around and shopping for different fittings etc etc. I would say repetablitly is probably more important than absolute accuracy on a gauge anyway? I use one of these cheapos on my Lincoln 255: If you are ever going to use it portable the gauges are generally tougher. Some manufactures use different size orifice for different models of flow-gages. If you have a dial type you can T off that at the output and run one side to the inside of the tank, and the other to your gas solenoid. Press J to jump to the feed. Still not convinced you can be sure its more accurate, but I expect if the two read the same, ergo, everything is good. went into the welding shop for a set of gauges and was suggested for home use all i needed was a flow meter. With the gas on, The gauge reads 80psl, which seems correct. Correction the boyancy of air would lesson the weight at sea level.. but again it's just one of many factors that need to be taken into account for measurement accuracy and measurement uncertainty statements. I have a couple of questions and hope you guys can help me. This is my take on it any ways,I have no bases for this theory, only the appearance of the style of devises described. I think I'll take a look at the more traditional regulators and save myself some coin. Set it at the minimum that will produce good welds and leave it there. But if you are tring to run 2 sets of equitment off the same gas just get another tank so you have a back up tank . After messing about with beer systems for a few years then I can confirm the length of the hose does make a difference due to the back pressure of what's already in the tube and the resistance from the tube itself. I'm sure my meager welding skills will not be adversely affected by a lesser regulator. Plus you don't have to look around behind you to check. I was hoping to save some gas with it but alas no. Well ,were I work we run 12 mig welders 16 hrs a day and there is no wasted gas between flow meter or gauge. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Ok, set the flow meter on the Tig, it has an 8m WP20, to 10lpm on the flow meter and tested with 3 different peashooters, all came out as close as I could say to 10lpm. BUT they sure aren't as cheap as what you are pricing. I searched the archives, but couldn't find the info I am looking for. please post pics/PN's. The Smith device with my MM175 says to specifically use a .032" orifice. When you trigger an arc the diaphram will sense the extra need for volume, of gas, and compensate. I bought a flowmeter for my 180sd and use the flowgauge that came with it for backpurge. If you Buy It Now, you'll only be purchasing this item. Something went wrong. The dial gauges if im not mistaken are diaphram style restrictor (acting like a regulater). I am about to drop 175 bucks for the dual setup from tigdepot. One thing sets it apart. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Just trying to spend my funds wisely. Copyright 1995-2022 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. If this is wrong, the experts will correct me, but I think this is what's really there. When you trigger an arc the diaphram will sense the extra need for volume, of gas, and compensate. A flow meter is much more accurate but for home use a regulator is fine in my opinion. it's tempting, since i'll have a drop available to bring argon to my MIG. Miller Trailblazer 302, Spoolmatic 30A, Suitcase 12RC, And more machinery than you can shake a 7018 rod at, http://www.tigdepot.com/products/p34-196AR-60.htm, If this is your first visit, be sure to